Oh where to begin... this topic has been here for a while with no posts. So, I wonder - is there any deep concern about getting your music edited or is it too much of a hassle to get it done?
I must say, I found a need for this in my local community in 2002. I have been a DJ since age 12 and started dancing shortly after - what a better way to glue my worlds together! I speak of the days where we had to bring cassette tapes to the theater - in BOXES. Jeesh, rewind, pause, cut, play, record - eeeewwww. And every studio and company did it that way back then.
So, I got crafty with my mixing skills and started to work digitally and opened my first of 2 businesses "Organized Noise, Inc" - and audio editing service catering specifically to the needs of dancers. Most artists were (and still are) concerned with 2 things: cutting a song down to fit competition time limits, or layering/blending multiple songs (primarily for hip hop or production numbers).
The business is still running, however, teachers are starting to get a little crafty with their Macs and PCs. My personal opinion is that if you have general knowlege of musical phrasing, it is easy to perform basic cuts. The difficult stuff comes in when there are serious key and tempo changes (most lyrical songs) and matching tempos for custom mixes. My individual specialty is custom mixes for Hip Hop routines.
In the Chicagoland area, I service many of the studios and high schools. What's it like on the coasts? I'm curious.
But if you all really need to know "How do I do it myself?"... Time, patience, practice and most importantly... the right computer programs. It's not as easy as 'if you can count to 8, you can cut music' - I scoff at that statement. The basic cuts are pretty simple... let's talk about some software options...
PC users: Get out and pick up SoundForge (Originally by Sonic Foundry, bought out by Sony) Probably available at your nearest Guitar Center or even Best Buy. If all you want to do is "cut" music, dont' spend the dough on the Pro version - pick up the Studio version for about 100 bucks. From there, it's trial and error...
Mac: Hmmm, I'm not too savvy with Macs - I'll do some research for ya. Gonna have to go through a stack of Electronic Musician magazines in my closet. Will return on this.
Custom Mixing (with layers, tempo and key changes, unlimited tracks): PC - go with Acid Pro. Again by Sony (formerly Sonic Foundry). This is where it gets really really fun! If you are not entirely comfortable with matching tempos or keys/pitch... this is NOT for you. It is a time consuming process to learn... though it's my personal specialty... I'm still perfecting the artform. Acid allows you to layer multiple songs to be played back at various BPMs (if you don't know what this is.......... why I oughtta), at many different places in the final mix. So you want the last 16 couts of one track to match the first 16 of another... EASY.
My goodnes... I'm going on far too long. I should write a book about it... "music editing for dummies" (not than any of you are, but you've all seen those books).
Perhaps I should post a link to some of my work. Then you'll get an idea of what I mean on the spectrum of things from basic to custom. Would you like? Hit me and I can direct you to a link - or post it here later. In the meantime, peep my DJ website and snag a copy of my older copy of Mashups. A mix I put together for dance teachers to use in class. Free to download: http://djanthonyfoster.com/mixes.html
Okay, I've ranted too long. I wanna hear what you have to say. Where do YOU go? What do YOU use? Can I help you? A few more tutorials, perhaps?
Happy hunting...
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HAHA, yes! Read this whole
HAHA, yes!
Read this whole thread, and I can't imagine going back to the day where my teachers sat in the dance room using 2 tape decks, a cd player, vhs movies, a tv, and recordable cassettes to mix our insane production numbers!!! What fun that must have been, barf...
I was lucky to have a great guy editing my music when I first started to need music cut, and he later taught me how to edit music myself. I fell in love with creating huge mixes, and even doing simple edits. My students appreciated it as well when they often heard other edits at competitions that would make your ears bleed. Nothing is better than a seamless audio mix.
I use an old editing program COOL EDIT 2.0... It's a simple muli track editor that enables you to mix, remix, edit, and put effects in your music. It's PC, but now with Parallels you can use it on MAC as well. I think COOL EDIT has now been reincarnated as ADOBE AUDITION, but don't quote me on that. I have a friend who creates all the music mixes for ABDC on MTV, and I believe that's what he uses.
Music Editing is truly an art that you won't pick up right away, but when your hard work pays off it is simply amazing!
Well this is a great topic
Well this is a great topic and one that should be discussed more. You will never beat a professional editor with years of experience and knowledge. Anthony I am sure your edits are what keep your clients coming back. Most of the time with any clients I have worked with they just don't want the hassle. For more of the up and coming I think they are more adventurous and computers are not so scary to them!! I mean really what would we do without computers nowadays!!
I have done my far share of adjudicating around the world and to this day still hear some terrible editing, not to mention some horrible lyrics :) We all know. Well crafted music finishes a performance and when it is edited poorly it is such a shame. I always tell my clients when editing their reels that every aspect of this reel is taken into consideration, the content, editing, images, score, label, etc.
Now in answer to the MAC side of things. It is becoming more and more that macs in the dancer world are quite common. Garage Band is a good choice and I would like to push that a little further as you can arrange and edit your own loops and styles together, gaining more of an organic process with the music and choreography. However this is way more work!
Mac Suggestions for Editing Software:
Audacity - this does pretty much all you need for cutting music and it is free.
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
Soundbooth CS4 (Adobe) - this is a professional editor and a great one too. For only $200 you get all you need. It used to be Cool Edit Pro and then Adobe took over! Also you get muti-track editing too.
http://www.adobe.com/products/soundbooth/
Here is a more detailed list of all sorts of editing software for macs:
http://www.pure-mac.com/audio.html#amadeus
Tips for better audio quality
In this time audio quality has been becoming a major concern for me. MP3 is great but can be very nasty as well. A show or performance with poor audio because of compression issues drives me nuts. so....
iTunes downloads get the best quality you can 128kb min anything lower and you are loosing too much in the highs and lows of music. This all depends on the music you are listening or editing but this is a good rule of thumb. 256kb is a much better qaulity and 360kb is the highest MP3 level you can get.
If you can edit with the source. Macs use AIF as raw uncompressed audio and PC use wave. The better quality your source is to edit with the better your results.
OK I will wrap up here and maybe go into more detail in another forum about editing tips. Again editing is an art and if you want special editing get a pro to do it (like Anthony) so you can focus on the choreography.
Thanks Anthony!
Is Garage Band on Mac the
Is Garage Band on Mac the best to use? Because I am a MAC LOVER and I do not know of any other good music editing programs... anyone know anything that they wanna share with me about cutting music on macs?! PLEASE :-)
Yes Anthony, funny you
Yes Anthony, funny you should mention this because and the last competition I judged, there was a cut SO bad that it made my ears bleed, Laura almost fainted and Johanna was speechless, which, if you know her, is impossible(ha ha) I think this does a great injustice to the dancer! How can you dance seamlessly with such a brutal cut? It might take a little bit of time to learn and editing program but one you learn one, you open so many doors to being able to adapt the music to what you need.
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